Shop Mobile More Submit  Join Login

Mature Content

This content is intended for mature audiences.


or, enter your birth date.*


Month

Day

Year*
Please enter a valid date format (mm-dd-yyyy)
Please confirm you have reviewed DeviantArt's Terms of Service below.
* We do not retain your date-of-birth information.
LINK TO THE POLL:

www.poll-maker.com/poll946598x…

LINK TO THE JOURNAL/DISCUSSION PAGE WHERE YOU CAN ELABORATE ON ANY THOUGHTS YOU HAVE ABOUT ME STARTING A PATREON:

hyrosdiaperdivas.deviantart.co…
Add a Comment:
 
:iconstewiesgood:
stewiesgood Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2017
I would pay just to see more of your art regularly. You normally make stuff I like though the selling point would be the price.
Reply
:icontruxicanwrestler:
TruxicanWrestler Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2017
Go for it. The absolute worst that can really happen is you don't get any subs.

I'm of a similar mind to Lulshi; I don't "buy" art often, but when I do, I want it to be something I have picked out for myself, ya know? Chipping in on a patreon, even if it is just $5 a month, for what is essentially a guessing game of "will I like what is posted this month? Will I feel it justifies the money I am giving them?" doesn't make sense to me, and so I don't do patreons. I've also unwatched a few people that have gone essentially patreon exclusive. The moment I am seeing more ads for your patreon then I am seeing art posted is when I stop watching.

None you the "you's" were directed right at you Hyro, more general statements, but I know I am not the only one with this kind of mentality, so I suggest not making commission slots a patreon only thing.
Reply
:iconhyrosdiaperdivas:
HyrosDiaperDivas Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thank you for your feedback. I want to make a couple things clear (to your or anybody reading this). I have absolutely no intention of making commissions Patreon-only, or of ceasing my posting of free art to DeviantArt. And if I do any advertising of the Patreon on here, I want to make it as minimal and non-intrusive as I can. My reasoning is that this is really intended for those of my fans who think "I like Hyro's art a lot, and I wish I could see him start doing comics." In order for me to justify putting in that kind of time on art every month (which currently, aside from commissions, is totally on my own dime), is to be making at least some money back on the time investment. I figure that my art, themes, and writing style are all consistent enough that people should be able to make a pretty informed decision of whether they think they will mostly like the content I come up with for Patreon comics.
Reply
:iconbrawler456:
brawler456 Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2017  Hobbyist Writer
Ya see, I would say yes to a Patreon, but, the only issue for me is the fact that artists who usually get one tend to post less here, which I don't like. While I won't mention any names, one of my other favorite artists has near stopped posting art since he/she got a Patreon, which honestly got on my nerves to the point where I stopped watching, because I knew they wouldn't post for long periods of time, and when they did post, I could always find the piece within someone else's favorites, which kept me updated.
Reply
:iconhyrosdiaperdivas:
HyrosDiaperDivas Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
If I were to start this Patreon, I would make my best effort to keep posting here with the same regularity that I presently do. It's possible that having a Patreon could impact how often I post on here, but hopefully it would not be to a very noticeable degree.
Reply
:iconmydlsecretlife:
MyDLSecretLife Featured By Owner Edited Jan 10, 2017  Student
I don't think I would pledge if it's $10, I think 5 is a good number. I'm also interested in what rewards would come with it. Would there be a Patreon art raffle or something?
Reply
:iconhyrosdiaperdivas:
HyrosDiaperDivas Featured By Owner Edited Jan 10, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'd have to figure that out. My main premise right now is that the rewards of the Patreon would be...getting to see full page comics that everybody else on the Internet doesn't get to see. I suppose I could also do some kind of sketch raffle on top of that tho.
Reply
:iconmydlsecretlife:
MyDLSecretLife Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2017  Student
I see. Well that's a starting point then.
Reply
:iconlulshi:
Lulshi Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2017  Hobbyist Writer
The main problem I have with most patreons is that if I'm going to be paying someone to do something, aka make art.  I would prefer if it was always something I liked.  Secondly, I really do not care for patreons that make money by, showing art early, because it most cases it's commissioned work so after someone paid you to draw something for them, you then make more money off the piece of work they paid for by making other people pay money to see it.

Additionally, Patreon is very limiting, for me to support only one person in a way that lets me get what I want on a consistent basis means that I'm setting aside money for them and not giving it to anyone else.

My main problem with Patreon and art basically boils down to, I don't always want art from the same person and I want what I want, there's only a select few patreons I'd be willing to subscribe to full time, and given what I know of your pricing I feel yours won't be one I'd want to be subscribed to.
Reply
:iconhyrosdiaperdivas:
HyrosDiaperDivas Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Can you expand on that last point? My most likely course of action for a Patreon as of right now would be to ask $5 a month for subscription, and to show mainly (or only) full page comics that I myself write. I've never charged people to see my completed commissions and I don't plan to ever do so.
Reply
:iconlulshi:
Lulshi Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2017  Hobbyist Writer
At 5 dollars that's a fairly easy price to pay.  But at that point it's going to be, do I pay 5 dollars to see it now, or just wait?  As it stands your art doesn't come out at a rapid pace, and given the poll results plenty of people would be willing to simply just wait.
Reply
:iconhyrosdiaperdivas:
HyrosDiaperDivas Featured By Owner Edited Jan 10, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
My aim is to set a pace of probably 2 or 3 comic pages per month. I'm sitting on a handful of ideas right now for comics of around 6 panels per page that would all go for 3 or more pages, with some of them likely to even be a fair bit longer than that. One possibility is that I could start multiple new comics in the same month, and allow subscribers to vote on which ongoing comics I draw a new page for next.

Also it's worth noting that if 100% of fans chose the "just wait for a leak" option, then there would be no Patreon and that art would never exist at all. Even if the large majority of people choose to wait for leaks to see the Patreon comics for free, I'll still require a decent number of paying subscribers to continue to produce comics. So the indirect benefit of subscribing to me on Patreon, even if all the art gets leaked immediately, is that the comics can continue to be made.
Reply
:iconlulshi:
Lulshi Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2017  Hobbyist Writer
Now you just need enough people who, A, want comics from you on a regular basis, B, don't care if it's not exactly what they want every time, and C, who are comfortable with limiting their options.

Now I primarily fit in the A category, I like most of your work and I enjoy seeing your new pictures, but I don't fit in the B category.  If I'm paying for something I generally always want it to be something I want, and that need to have something I want is also tempered by price.  If I was paying 5 dollars a month for your to continually make comics, I wouldn't much care what the topic of them was as long as it peaked my interest half of the time.  If I was paying 15+ dollars I'd want to see things closer to what I like on a regular basis.  

And generally what I like is messing diapers so I assume that wouldn't be too much of an issue, but I can't see the future and I'm somewhat of a pessimist so I always generally assume the worst when I look to the future.

As for C, I'm also not super comfortable limiting my options unless I'm going to get what I like.  As I said, if I give you X money per month that's X I can't give to anyone else and in this day where things like YCH's that suddenly come and go are common place I like to have the option to be able to buy those types of art if they happen to suit my fancy, but it limiting myself with Patreon's I give myself less options to get art I might want.

Honestly I'd suggest just making high price tiers that select people could pay money to, the kind of people who want to see comics done by you, but in return they'd also have more of a say in what the comics would be, and might just decide what they are outright.  I might be willing to do that, hell I like your art enough.  I'd definitely have to converse on actual prices and such given my last commission with you was less than desirable.  But it was one instance and other works you've done before and after are always fairly pleasant to look at.
Reply
:iconhyrosdiaperdivas:
HyrosDiaperDivas Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
When you talk about "high price tiers where people outright decide what comics I do", it just sounds like you're describing commissions. Which I intend to continue accepting if I start this Patreon. The way I'm looking at Patreon (which I think is how it's meant to be viewed) is as a crowdsourcing platform for artists. So I'm trying to operate on the typical principles of crowdsourcing. If someone wants me to create a comic that they have total control over, they can commission me, probably for somewhere in the neighborhood of $150 depending on the idea. Since that's not in everyone's budget, I figure for a very small fraction of that cost (I'm pretty much decided on $5 a month by now) I can offer comics on Patreon which subscribers would have an equally small fraction of control over (as I mentioned before, I could perhaps put comics to a vote to see which ones the majority of subscribers wanted me to continue). And for the most part, I expect my target audience for subscribers would be people who do usually like whatever I happen to put out and wouldn't have much problem with ceding most of the control of the content output stream to me. To me that seems like a fair and reasonable approach to this particular crowd-based form of funding.

As for your last art piece from me, I am sorry you had a bad experience commissioning me. I won't lie, it wasn't my finest work. I think the quality of my art at that time was just woefully inconsistent from piece to piece, and it's only been in the last few months that I think I have finally adjusted my process to something that can consistently turn out art of the same quality every time. If you ever want to discuss the possibility of receiving a heavily discounted new commission from me to make up for the last one, please PM me about it.
Reply
:iconlulshi:
Lulshi Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2017  Hobbyist Writer
Well, there in lies your problem, I don't believe you'll have enough people who want to just pay a small amount of money to see comics you make.  If the numbers on your poll are to be trusted.
Reply
:iconanimefan200135:
animefan200135 Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2017
I think if you were to do a patreon it would depend on rewards. I think you should use patreon like Malezor
Reply
:iconkoolaid278:
koolaid278 Featured By Owner Edited Jan 9, 2017
the patreon is a good way to make money and do what you like.
their is only one downside to it and that's the fact that a lot of great artist are doing it and people who pledge to these artist pledge a lot of money. I pledge 120$ a month to 4 different artist to get their art and cant go for any new artist because that's all I have to spend freely. That's the only downside to patreon.
Reply
:iconhyrosdiaperdivas:
HyrosDiaperDivas Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
What if my monthly subscription fee was 5 bucks?
Reply
:iconkoolaid278:
koolaid278 Featured By Owner Edited Jan 10, 2017
that I believe is something a lot of patreons who don't have a lot of money can pay for. Is the 5$ for all the art  or are you going to do tier pricing like 10$ for extra art that cant be seen by 5$ pledges
Reply
:iconhyrosdiaperdivas:
HyrosDiaperDivas Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm still somewhat undecided on whether it should be a $5 or $10 a month fee, but whichever of those it is I intend to pick one and have that unlock ALL of the content on my Patreon. No tiered pricing.
Reply
:iconturtwigchampion:
TurtwigChampion Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Mmmm those poll results don't seem good. ^^;
Reply
:iconhyrosdiaperdivas:
HyrosDiaperDivas Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
The relative number of yes's to no's doesn't matter. What matters is just how many people say yes in total.
Reply
:iconturtwigchampion:
TurtwigChampion Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
AAaaaah good point.
Reply
:iconmysteriousmrx:
MysteriousMrX Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2017
If you want one, go for it. Just be prepared for some hazing to come with it by stingy people. I'd love to pledge to it, but I already have one in usage that I need its funds for.

Best of luck in your decision.
Reply
:iconcyatommorrow:
Cyatommorrow Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2017
I wouldn't say people are stingy. The American economy is absolutely pathetic. I only make a $100 a week, but still commission art because what else am I supposed to do with such little money? Nonetheless, everyone is struggling and I'm sure Hyro is too. So, make a Patreon and use your talent for profit.
Reply
:iconmysteriousmrx:
MysteriousMrX Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2017
Indeed.

Also I wasn't condemning Hyro's choice to get a Patreon. I was just telling him to be careful, because I've been getting harassed a bunch since I got one on my non-ABDL stuff by ungrateful stingy people.
Reply
:iconhyrosdiaperdivas:
HyrosDiaperDivas Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I do want one, but I think it's a good idea to gauge interest first, so that I can make more informed financial choices about it, such as setting a subscription fee, figuring out how many pieces per month to promise, etc.
Reply
Add a Comment:
 
×



Details

Submitted on
January 9
Image Size
2.8 MB
Resolution
2426×1828
Mature Content
Yes
Link
Thumb

Stats

Views
930
Favourites
7 (who?)
Comments
27
Downloads
1
×